The disturbing case of Jeanette Maples: Torture, Child Abuse and the broken system

As we venture deep into the case, we tackle a tough subject— the horrendous ordeal of a young girl, Jeanette Maples. Her horrifying story of prolonged abuse, and the shocking neglect of those who could've intervened, is bound to leave you questioning the very fabric of societal dynamics. In the face of the gruesome details of Jeanette’s life, we wonder why so many remained silent, the extent of control her mother Angela had over the family, and how an innocent life was tragically lost. This part of the episode is as profound as it is harrowing.

Strap in, because this episode is as enlightening as it is emotional, and we're glad to have you with us on this journey. DISCLAIMER! CHILD TORTURE. TRIGGER WARNING

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 Deadly women season 7 episode 1

 Oregon’s Only Woman on Death Row Resentenced - The Corvallis Advocate

STATE v. McANULTY (2014) | FindLaw

Oregon man had not seen slain daughter in years | Local News Stories | argusobserver.com

Oregon’s only woman on death row to get new trial (deathpenaltynews.blogspot.com)

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Child Fatalities Due to Abuse and Neglect Decreased in FY 2020, Report Finds | The Administration for Children and Families (hhs.gov)

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Transcript

Tiffany: 0:13

Welcome to Rogue and Wicked. Oh yeah, I heard Mercury was in Lemonade again.

Wendy: 0:20

Yeah, and we had a total eclipse of the heart too.

Tiffany: 0:24

Oh really. Well mine is like dead. So I mean, I guess black is a nice color for mine.

Wendy: 0:29

Black as your soul.

Tiffany: 0:31

Black as my soul.

Wendy: 0:33

It's funny because before we started I was listening to Typo. You ever hear that song, black Number One.

Tiffany: 0:38

I don't remember any of the names of music. You could tell me like a million song names and I'd be like. I have no idea what you're talking about, but if you were to play them, i could probably recognize the song.

Wendy: 0:48

You know that's amazing to hear because I don't think of the million conversations we've had that we've discussed the fact I'm the same fucking way And the only reason I know this is because it's actually in the chorus. They say Black, black, black, black, number One, like a ton of times in the song Oh yeah you can't forget that.

Wendy: 1:07

It's kind of like Pink Floyd Hey You, you know that song, hey You about Pink Floyd. So yeah, i was actually just listening to that, like right before you, and I picked up. But yeah, for the first time since I lived here, i took all of my crystals and I brought them downstairs and I put them together And I could buy a house with the amount of crystals I have, no joke.

Tiffany: 1:30

I know I got a lot of them too. Well, you've seen some of them. I have them in this, like for anybody who doesn't know. Obviously I have a little cool shelf that I put them in, and Wendy sent me a tower and I stuck it in my crystal thing And it's like a moon shelf with like little extra shelves and I put like a fake plant and one of them like styled it, so it looks all cute, you know.

Wendy: 1:48

Yeah, i love it. She sent me a picture of it once it arrived and it fit there perfectly, and what we did to pick this out was I had her. Well, i ran my hands over my crystals and told her to tell me when to stop, and she ended up getting one of my favorite ones and I had a hard time parting with it, but I charged it next to this beautiful jewelry box that Tiff made for me for about a month before I sent it to her. But you had it just in time for this full moon. So there you go Yeah.

Wendy: 2:17

So if we'll stave off Mercury, And nobody can steal the big, my best crystal unless they're super fucking strong, because I have a stalactite amethyst in my office That's like three feet tall.

Tiffany: 2:30

Yeah, nobody's stealing anything from here, because I don't really have any friends. Well, i mean my friends wouldn't steal from me.

Wendy: 2:37

I'm just like people know. if you want to buy a car, there's better ways to try to get one Then you have to steal a crystal that has like security cameras around it and weighs 180 pounds. So what are we learning about today?

Tiffany: 2:50

Oh wait, i can tell you what I've been doing. Oh shit, i said that.

Wendy: 2:55

I said and how have you been doing? You just missed that part, yeah yeah, afterwards. You're right, you're right.

Tiffany: 3:02

Sure, i slide that one right.

Wendy: 3:05

No, i'm trying to slide that one in, yeah right, bum, bum.

Tiffany: 3:10

I have been doing a lot of like work and so I decided to take a little break today and make a video Break. Today, me and my friend and my friend's boyfriend went to a zoo. I'm not going to say which zoo, but we went to a zoo and we had a blast. I put my head in the monkey heads and there was like a bunch of kids running around.

Wendy: 3:30

So how do you know? do you ever feel bad when you're at the zoo seeing them in their cages?

Tiffany: 3:35

Yeah, i do. but then I feel, like the ones that are in the zoo that I go to, it's a rescue zoo, so it's not like a regular zoo where they just like put animals there so that people can see them. They actually keep them there because they were injured and they rehabilitated them and can't release them back into the wild. So it's more like a rehabilitation kind of place and it's free. So like it's not like the kind of place where they use the animals to make money.

Wendy: 4:02

Yes, well, that makes me feel good, it really does.

Tiffany: 4:05

Yeah, that's why I go there.

Wendy: 4:07

I bush gardens. I know you were in Tampa for a while. Have you ever gone there?

Tiffany: 4:11

No, i went to bush gardens with a dude that I was dating down there.

Wendy: 4:15

That doesn't look out too well.

Tiffany: 4:17

But we did go to bush gardens once and it was a lot of fun and we did see some animals. but we didn't go through the animal part, we just went through the park part.

Wendy: 4:27

Well, when they were reconstructing the elephant part of it which I have heard from those who've heard me bitch about how small their place was that they built this well, allowed for this safari, where you can like go out and see them, and they kind of have like a savannah and the elephants are just roaming. I haven't gotten to see them like that, but when I did see them they were kind of in a small setting and they were listening to classical music and pouring water on themselves and I watched them with tears in my eyes like a fucking idiot. There was people walking by and I'm sitting there crying over how they're doing?

Tiffany: 5:06

They're listening to classical music. I mean, they probably are taking care of better here than they are in the wild. It's a shame they can't roam the plains, you know.

Wendy: 5:16

You can see them swaying back and forth and playing in the water, listening to classical music, trying to de-stress, and that resonates with me. I'm like, oh, i do that too. I listen to classical music and pour wax and water on me. I am that elephant. It's just hard for me to see animals in cages, but you're right, i mean because they're poached and treated. I just hate the way human beings treat animals, i guess in general.

Tiffany: 5:42

Yeah, i don't like them being used as a sideshow either. I hate the fact that people go and look at them. I look at them at that place, but I don't fund places that do that kind of shit, where they just get the animal put it in there so that they can make money off of it. If you're making money off of it, i won't even go Right, unless it's free because, then I know if it's free.

Tiffany: 6:01

it's like you know, there's usually a reason We're going to talk about a child abuse case. today This is the case of Angela McNulty. This is one I found on a show that it was wild. It was on that. I think it was deadly women. I saw it on So I guess I'll just jump right into it.

Tiffany: 6:17

Angela McNulty gave birth to two boys and a daughter named Jeanette, in California in the early 90s. When Jeanette was a year old in 1995, angela lost custody of her and her two boys. Angela met a carnival worker named Anthony Maples and was using drugs, neglecting and physically abusing her children. When Angela gave birth to her second daughter, five and a half years later, she regained custody of Jeanette. Angela's life seemed to be looking up when she found Richard, a long-haul trucker who paid all of her bills and supported her and her two children. Richard and Angela decided to get married and Richard became Jeanette's new stepfather.

Tiffany: 6:59

Richard never had a serious girlfriend before meeting Angela. He would be 32 years old when he married Angela. He said it wasn't her beauty that captured him, but it was her children that he fell in love with. Richard described her as sweet as day and that she knocked him off his feet, and when it came to proposing to his new love interest, he even asked the children if he could marry their mother. He wanted their approval first. Right before he met Angela, he was living with his mother and his cousin introduced the two. She met Angela at an unwed mother's home and thought that the two would be perfect for one another. The two had their first date at a fast-food restaurant, and the rest was history. I don't know if I would go home with a dude if, um, if he took me out to a fast-food restaurant on our first date. I mean, i'm not bougie, but uh.

Wendy: 7:44

You know there's a side of me because I have fallen in love with children. But I was raised by a woman who rescued children for a living. That's what she did and there were no men around, so I have a better example of love in regards to motherhood, that said, because she rescued children. When I hear a man say a man and I know that sounds sexist, but we I'm going by a census of what I've experienced and what I've learned from I loved the kids I get creeped out a little bit because of all this creepy ass stepfathers that did fucked up shit to the women who had children that ended up in the foster home that I lived in. When I hear that I get a little creeped out right away. I'm just saying. But it's also hypocritical because that was the case for me with my ex and I let him know it was his children I was in love with.

Tiffany: 8:36

That's right. I'm not in love with you.

Wendy: 8:38

Yeah, you know that's, but see, that's exactly what it does say, because that's precisely what I said to him.

Tiffany: 8:44

But I still wouldn't. I wouldn't go home with no dude that took me out to McDonald's as a first date.

Wendy: 8:49

I would. I don't like McDonald's, but I wouldn't mind the whole fast food thing. Well, ba-da-ba-ba-ba.

Tiffany: 8:56

I'm not loving it.

Wendy: 8:58

I haven't had McDonald's in five years because Bart and I had an agreement with that shit. I still crave those double cheeseburgers. I think there's drugs in them. I think there are too. Do you have a thing for those two?

Tiffany: 9:09

I would like a listener's to let us know I actually saw a video about the russet potatoes that they use and the amount of pesticides that they have to use on them because they won't take blemished ones at McDonald's And so their fries are so fermented and pesticides that it actually can kill animals. Like they have to put them in a warehouse for like a certain amount of time so that they're like edible No shit, Yeah, imagine all the poison that you're eating in them potatoes. They're good as hell.

Wendy: 9:36

but I was gonna say it's weird, because even after five years of not eating McDonald's, all you have to do is describe those pesticide fries and mention that double cheeseburger and I can feel the salivatory glands starting to.

Tiffany: 9:51

I was gonna say your mouth water. Yeah, I can't blow up like a deer tick if I eat that much McDonald's. So Angela was described as somebody who did whatever she wanted and could get away with it because she wore the pants in the family. She was bold and domineering, and Richard was described as someone who wasn't all that smart. He was passive and indecisive, which made him perfect for Angela because she was the brains and the brawn of the family. In 2006, the family moved to a house on Robin Avenue in Eugene, Oregon. Jeanette was enrolled in Cascade Middle School and by 2008, it was apparent that Angela was very loving and affectionate to her younger children, But when it came to her eldest daughter, 14-year-old Jeanette, that wasn't the case. Jeanette was being targeted by Angela and was undergoing insane amounts of abuse. Before we get into her daughter's abuse, let's talk about Angela for a little bit.

Tiffany: 10:43

Angela was born in California and Angela's mother had five children by the time she was in her early 20s. Angela was the favorite of the five kids and described as the apple of her mother's eye. But one day her mother was murdered and the case went unsolved. Angela's brother always suspected his father of killing his mother, although he never had any proof, and neither did the police. He claimed that living with their father was terrifying. At five years old, Angela was left to her father, who physically abused her and mentally abused her. She claimed he used food as a weapon and they weren't allowed to take food to get food on their own and they were only allowed to have water. He would beat them with a belt and she endured sadistic torture from her father for years. So it seemed that Angela was about to repeat the cycle by targeting only one of her children and inflict the pain of her trauma onto that innocent child, or pay it forward, so to speak.

Tiffany: 11:41

Richard started noticing little things after they were married. At first, he noticed that Jeanette was being singled out by Angela. If they went to a carnival, Jeanette wasn't allowed to go with the rest of the family. She wasn't allowed to have friends over or take calls. He found that it was odd but didn't say anything about it. Richard noticed Angela becoming unglued, as he put it. He noticed the abuse getting worse when the family moved in 2006 to be closer to his mother. Being that Richard was away at work most of the time, he didn't see a lot of the abuse only in small occasions when he was actually home. You know, that's really telling.

Wendy: 12:17

This is a common thing for me where I'm letting people know that people who are in long distance relationships or in relationships where both people work or they're away from each other for a great deal of time that when you see things, those things are most definitely happening more frequently than when you're just seeing them. And they're probably happening less frequently while you're around, because I know they can get away with that shit way easier when you're not.

Tiffany: 12:47

Yeah, well, he kind of noticed it in the beginning, but he didn't realize the extent of it, i don't think. at first, jeanette was ultimately tortured by Angela. Jeanette had to stand on one leg with her arms above her head for hours on end, just like Anthony Avelos. If she couldn't stay that way the entire time, then Angela would take to beating Jeanette. If Jeanette was good and did whatever Angela wanted, she would allow Jeanette to sit down around 8pm. So this would happen all day when she would come home from school, usually, or on the days off from school, and then she would finally be able to sit down at eight. Jeanette was not allowed to eat with the family, so she was starved and given scraps. on occasion, the faucets were fixed so that she couldn't even get water if she wanted it without Angela's permission. How old are the children? now She's 14. The other ones are younger, but they're not abused, which is weird.

Wendy: 13:42

Right, I mean, that's what I was thinking. So she's the oldest sibling and the other ones aren't being abused.

Tiffany: 13:48

Well, she's not the oldest sibling. There was another child, but it was taken away. Oh, okay So.

Wendy: 13:54

I'm just surprised that the other kids aren't saying anything, because I mean a lot of the cases that there was one kid that was singled out and being abused more often or at all compared to the others, that the others would snitch while they were at school, unless somebody know. I'm surprised that didn't happen.

Tiffany: 14:13

Yeah, I mean, I think that they were just terrified that if they told she would fixate on them.

Wendy: 14:18

Right, right. She could have been the example.

Tiffany: 14:21

Good point Yeah, that's what I think. The only way that Jeanette could get water is if she drank from the dog's bowl or the toilet. And here's the kicker All of the doors in the house had locks on them, including the refrigerator. Angela was the only one who had the keys. Angela had the entire family fearing the consequences of this getting out. No one would speak of the abuse, not even Jeanette. It was a family secret, so no one knew what was going on outside of the home. When I say that Angela had the keys to the doors, she also had the keys to the bathroom, so that she couldn't even drink out of the toilet in the middle of the night if she wanted to.

Tiffany: 14:57

In spring of 2008, people were noticing the bruises and scars on Jeanette's body, especially her schoolmates. When Jeanette would get dressed from gym class, she had to wear shorts So you would see her bruises and lashes on her legs, and they were visible to the other students. And once in seventh grade she confided in a friend that she was being abused at home. When school officials confronted Jeanette, she would lie and tell them that she fell or that some kind of accident happened that was her fault. Schoolmates recalled seeing Jeanette wearing the same clothes every single day. She wore the same sweatpants and yellow t-shirt to school. The other kids made fun of her ratty clothes and bullied her, but she didn't let it bother her. She loved reading and poetry and she spent lots of time in the library reading books, trying to escape what was going on at home. In fact, jeanette loved school because it was her only escape from her mother's torment. She would often try to stay late, but eventually would be sent back home.

Tiffany: 15:53

Teachers asked Jeanette if everything was okay at home, because she never wanted to leave. She became visibly depressed and anxious when it was time to go home. Her classmates said that she was never allowed to take calls from friends or allowed to visit with them, and she also wasn't allowed to have anyone visit her own home. School officials sat down with Jeanette and she wrote a letter explaining that she was being denied food at home and was forced to eat chili peppers and forced to sit on her knees for long periods of time for punishment.

Tiffany: 16:21

Also, one of Jeanette's friends' parents contacted DHS with allegations of abuse. So this is like an ongoing thing. People are noticing, people are contacting DHS, people are asking Jeanette about these bruises and shit which I don't know how Angela didn't think that this was going to be a thing, but it was, thank goodness. Yeah, i mean, it is a good thing, but guess what? Shit gets worse because of this, shit gets way worse because of this, and that's the double-edged sword. It's like that's what you're supposed to do, and so you do, and she wasn't removed from the home.

Wendy: 16:54

Right, right, i guess the next course of action really determines whether it's a good thing or not, because there's been cases where I've stood up for people and it was only worse for them when they got home as a result of my thinking it would be a good idea.

Tiffany: 17:08

Yeah, exactly So. Authorities were eventually contacted on Jeanette's behalf. The school authorities brought in DHS to check in on Jeanette's home life. Dhs demanded to speak with Jeanette, but Angela told them that she wasn't home. Angela answers all of the case workers questions and the case worker even interviewed the other family members, but they all had conflicting statements. They did the usual run through Was the house livable? Was it stocked with food? Did the children appear to be clean? Did they have running water? All the answers were yes. So the case worker concluded the investigation with a status of unable to determine.

Tiffany: 17:44

To stop further inquiry about her daughter, angela pulled Jeanette from school and isolated her from the entire world. She contacted the school and told them that Jeanette is now going to be home schooled and will no longer be attending the middle school. Angela called Richard when she pulled Jeanette from school and told them that she was getting into too much trouble and that she was being pulled from school basically to keep an eye on her so she didn't get into any more trouble at school, which she got into no trouble at school For 18 months. Out of the view of prying eyes, the torture inflicted on Jeanette increases threefold. Jeanette's bedroom becomes a central for abuse. On the floor was a sheet of cardboard because Angela didn't want the floor to get stained from her daughter's blood. Yeah, she put down a piece of cardboard so that the floor wouldn't get stained.

Wendy: 18:32

Yeah, yeah, it sounds like a crime scene waiting to happen.

Tiffany: 18:36

Yeah, but it's like, why would you put down like your? if you're going to beat your child to where she's bloody, why are you going to put down stuff so that you can protect the carpet and shit in the floor?

Wendy: 18:44

Well prevent the evidence from being oh, i mean, i guess that's not true.

Tiffany: 18:50

Well, i mean, if you're beating somebody to point their bloody, there's going to be spatter on play. Yeah, yeah, wow. What do you think cardboard's gonna do? Right, stupid, see you next Tuesday.

Wendy: 19:01

I'm fucking believable. Yeah, i mean just to know that she is completely cognitive, aware that she is beating her child to this degree.

Tiffany: 19:10

Yeah, like I don't know how you could. but, whatever you know, what am I? what do I know? I don't have no kids.

Wendy: 19:15

Sometimes being a mom is tough. Sometimes you get really angry, you know, and if you have remorse, even if you yell at your kids and you know they're wrong, it's still really hard, like you still, you know, question yourself was it too hard on them? You know, like you feel that way with your kids And to know that like you've hit your kids or you know you've taken extreme levels of discipline, you've that that usually like would require they have to do some really nefarious and evil. But if you're being the evil one and you're like, well, i'm beating my kid this bad, i have to put a fucking thing on the floor. It's like you are aware that you are abusing your child, you're aware that you're going to do it again And you care more about the fucking floor than you do your kid in the process.

Tiffany: 20:06

You know that's what I mean. Like how is it just wild to me.

Wendy: 20:10

Well it is. I mean, if, even if you can't do it in the context of a child you have, you have a puppy. You know you've had to like yell at your, your puppy, and you know, especially with when it goes a little wild with bunnies and shit like that, i'm saying talking shit on Ruby.

Tiffany: 20:27

But you know what? I don't beat the dog And I wouldn't be my child either.

Wendy: 20:30

And I mean I could see smack and maybe I don't, i don't mind, yeah yeah, yeah, i, my kids were really, really good And I can be pretty terrifying when I'm angry, and but I I usually use other people in situations as an example, like you kids, this little I'm capable of, but I'm never going to do it to you.

Tiffany: 20:49

No, i mean, there's a difference between a smack if somebody's real, out of line, and then there's beaten a child.

Wendy: 20:55

That said, I deserve to get my ass kicked when I was young.

Tiffany: 20:58

Yeah, me too. I mean my mom hit me, and you know what she? I deserve to be hit. Jeanette wasn't allowed to speak with her siblings And, aside from moving the spickets and locking the bathroom door, sometimes Angela wouldn't even permit Jeanette to eliminate, so she couldn't even go to the bathroom.

Tiffany: 21:14

Angela sometimes forced Jeanette to stand with heavy objects in her hands and hold them there for extended periods of time. She would beat up, slap, scratch and kick Jeanette all over her body. Some of the beatings were so bad that Angela knocked out Jeanette's teeth. And Angela never took Jeanette to the doctor or saw any dental care for her daughter, so she was missing teeth from these beatings. Angela would go into the living room and turn the TV on full blast so the rest of the family could drown out Jeanette's screams. This is fucked. The sad thing was that no one ever tried to stop what was going on, not even Angela's husband, who could easily overpower his wife. I could see why the young children wouldn't step in because of fear of it being taken out on them, but the husband not doing anything really pissed me off.

Wendy: 22:04

And it's obvious why she didn't take him to the doctor or the dentist, because then they would have had mandated reporters.

Tiffany: 22:10

Oh yeah, well, how did that?

Wendy: 22:12

happen.

Tiffany: 22:13

Yeah, yeah, it's like, uh, uh, i don't know. She fell. This is a trigger warning for those of you who can't handle me going further, so turn it off if this is a trigger for you, because what I'm about to say is extremely hard to hear. Okay, bye, no, you can't leave. Angela whipped Jeanette so hard and so frequently that there was no skin left on her hips. Jeanette's hip bones were literally protruding through her flesh because there was nothing to protect them anymore. After most of Angela's violent attacks, she would attempt to treat Jeanette's wounds herself. She would pour iodine on her cuts and scratches, even bandaging them, so that she didn't have to take her to the hospital. I am surprised that Jeanette didn't retaliate. I don't think it was because she wouldn't. I think it was because she physically couldn't. Just, poor girl.

Tiffany: 23:02

In 2009, richard suffered from a heart attack and had open heart surgery in California. Angela and her children came to visit Richard in the hospital. Richard's mother, lynn, saw Jeanette and was seriously concerned. Jeanette's hair was all chopped off and she had a busted lip. She looked emaciated and, when asked, angela told Lynn that Jeanette fell and that's why she was all bruised up, and that's when Lynn decided to anonymously call DHS. Lynn contacted DHS several times to report the abuse, but nothing ever came with it And after that day she never saw her granddaughter in law again.

Tiffany: 23:36

By the summer of 2009, the family moved to another home on Howard Avenue. This is when the abuse had amped up to even more extreme circumstances. Jeanette lost serious amounts of weight from starvation and her wounds were becoming infected. Also during this time, richard was mostly in bed because of his weak heart. He was aware there was abuse going on, but claimed to not know the severity of it. Richard said in an interview that he was afraid of his wife. His heart attack left him weak and vulnerable, so when he realized how bad the abuse had gotten he was afraid to speak up or stop it. He knew Jeanette was afraid to go into the bedroom with her mother, but he claimed he didn't go into Jeanette's bedroom because she was a female.

Tiffany: 24:16

Richard said that he heard the beatings and assumed that they were bad, but didn't question it because they weren't his children. He thought about calling the cops but was afraid of them because Angela allegedly threatened to tell the police that he was the person who was inflicting the abuse on Jeanette. One time he said he pleaded with Angela to take Jeanette to the emergency room because she hit Jeanette so hard in the mouth that she knocked her lip off. Richard said that her lip was dangling from her face, but Angela refused to take her and instead she butterfly stitched her lip back onto her fucking face.

Tiffany: 24:49

I've never seen a butterfly stitch. It's like a band-aid and it's got like a sticky end on one side and a sticky end on the other side. What you do is you pull the skin back together and you put those two things over where it breaks so that it holds it together. It's just like a band-aid, really. Wow. And she did that to stitch her daughter's lip back onto her fucking face. It was like hanging off of her fucking jaw. That's how bad it was caught.

Wendy: 25:14

This poor baby and at such a stage in her life too.

Tiffany: 25:17

Yeah, I know. Well, this is when things get really bad. This is when they start getting bad. Well they're already bad, but this is when they get like really, really bad This should not have been allowed to go this far.

Wendy: 25:28

No, Anybody with any semblance of a fucking intuition should have been picking up on this. I mean Oh.

Tiffany: 25:34

I know. On December 9th 2009, jeanette suffered a beating so fierce that she developed a brain bleed and had trouble walking or standing. She fell asleep on the floor and became completely unresponsive. Angela and Richard put Jeanette into the bathtub and panicked. They called Lynn and told her that Jeanette was cold and not breathing, and Lynn urged them to call 911. Richard called 911 and said that Jeanette had an accident. The first responders knew something was up. When they were told Jeanette's age, they couldn't believe it. She was so emaciated that she wasn't even 50 pounds, so they thought she was a lot younger than she was. She was rushed to the hospital and pronounced dead. The medical examiner ruled her cause of death as bleeding on the brain, septic shock, starvation and dehydration.

Tiffany: 26:19

The couple was taken to the sheriff's office for questioning, but before they left for the station. While in the hospital, angela then starts blaming her husband for everything. She says he committed all of the abuse and she was the victim. She even had the balls to say that, because of his heart condition, that maybe they would give him a lighter sentence. Now, of course, we talked about this earlier. He predicted that she would do that, but Richard isn't as innocent as he claims to be.

Tiffany: 26:44

Once in the sheriff's office, investigators separated the two for interrogation. Richard told authorities that he spanked Jeanette, but then flipped. Soon after He told police that he was lying and agreed to take all the blame. Although he wasn't the main perpetrator, he definitely was compliant. He tried to cover for his wife, i think as an act of valor, but ultimately it would backfire in his face because Angela started incriminating herself. In another interrogation room, detective Fenley and Hoburg interrogated her for a whole 45 minutes and during the interrogation Angela claimed that Richard had only spanked Jeanette and put her in timeouts, nothing else. She claimed that Jeanette's injuries happened because she was clumsy and she would pick at her scabs. When I asked about Jeanette's weight, angela claimed that Jeanette ate a lot. She also told police that she only turned off the spickets at night time because she was trying to prevent Jeanette from drinking water at night. She admitted to spanking Jeanette but not to beating her, and she even claimed that she only gave her a pat on the butt with a stick. First off, who pats somebody on the butt with a stick? But anyway, i'm gonna continue on because I don't even wanna get into that conversation. Once murder was on the table.

Tiffany: 27:55

The police were able to get a search warrant for the Howard Avenue and Robin Avenue houses. Police found blood and other DNA evidence all over the place With loom and all. They were able to determine that some of it was cleaned up with an attempt to hide the evidence. They recovered items from the couple's garbage that they attempted to throw away to cover their tracks, but inside of the trash police found bloodstains, sticks, belts, clothing, bedding and a piece of cardboard that Jeanette was forced to sleep on. When detectives confronted Angela with this new evidence, she claimed that the blood was from Jeanette's belt, which caused her scabs to break open, and that she cleaned up the blood.

Tiffany: 28:32

After the interview, angela asked if she could see Richard. She started begging officers to let her see her husband and then started panicking and said is it because he doesn't wanna see me? And the officer said that the reason that they were separated was to get each person's statement, in which she then cut him off and didn't wanna talk anymore. Police asked who was the last person outside of the home to see Jeanette, but Angela refused to tell the police. She retorted with well, i don't want them to think that I didn't think I killed her, you know, and it didn't make any sense what she said. It was like a jumbled mess of words. So she admitted to using the belt on her daughter, but when confronted with her daughter's hip injuries and incriminating evidence, she pretty much incriminated herself into the murder. Richard's interview lasted about an hour. Eventually he blamed it all on Angela to get a lesser sentence and he agreed to testify against her in court in order to avoid the death penalty. Angela attempted to suppress statements that she gave to the police when she was officially charged with aggravated murder and tampering with physical evidence. Ultimately she pleaded guilty to aggravated murder.

Tiffany: 29:35

During the trial, Richard testified against his wife and neither of them looked each other in the eye. He talked about how he failed as a father and should have protected Jeanette, but didn't. He testified that Angela would strip Jeanette naked and whip her. He claimed that he removed the spickets and put the locks on the cabinets and doors at her direction. He painted himself as a silent participant but didn't take any real responsibility for partaking in the punishments. Angela's older daughter rebutted those claims, saying that Richard would hit Jeanette in the face and throw shoes at her if she didn't stand with her arms up anymore. That he participated willingly in the assault against Jeanette. Angela became the second woman in Oregon history to be sentenced to death. She resides at Coffee Creek Correctional Facility and when it's time for her to face her sentence, she would be put to death at the Salem Prison, because that's the only place in the entire state that has an execution chamber.

Tiffany: 30:28

Richard pleaded guilty to murder and was sentenced to 25 years. During the trial he claimed that Jeanette eventually had shown him her injuries and a plea for help, but he did nothing and ignored the abuse. He said he enforced the punishment of not allowing Jeanette to have water. Angela pleaded with Richard not to call 911 and wanted to bury their daughter in the backyard instead. Richard's defense team said his IQ was in the low 80s and that he was in special ed classes and school, but was able to graduate without a modified diploma. He painted Richard as a hard worker and had two jobs after leaving high school one set a pizza restaurant and then as a truck driver. But in order for him to complete his duties, he had to be given very specific directions from his instructors. His attorney claimed that Richard can't make important decisions and shuts down when he has to. Despite that, he was deemed competent to know right from wrong, he also could have intervened to save the child.

Tiffany: 31:22

Jeanette's 13 year old sister pushed for Richard to serve a full 25 years in prison because he upheld Angela's punishments when she wasn't home. The 13 year old unnamed daughter, who also said Richard favored his biological son, would sometimes abuse her in addition to Jeanette, so there was more than one child being abused. With all this, said, the 13 year old sister, concluded I think my childhood is not ruined, but depressing. I am slowly healing, and she thanked her friends, foster family and other people for cheering her on from near and far. The question in my mind this whole time is where's she natural father?

Tiffany: 31:57

I found an article from 2012 that interviewed Anthony Maples about his daughter's death. He and Angela had three children together in the early 90s, but he was in and out of jail in Sacramento, california, for drugs for the better part of a decade. His two sons were taken away by CPS and spent most of their lives in foster care. Anthony's third child was Jeanette. Once he had gotten out of prison, he had been working with CPS to get in contact with Angela and Jeanette. Unfortunately, both of them never kept in contact with Anthony and he had no idea what was going on. That is until a caseworker contacted him to tell him that his daughter had died. I am so crushed by this. I know that I have to accept that this is God's will, but it's disgusting that this happened to my little angel. Anthony said to DHS Richard said he wished he knew that Jeanette had three kids taken away for the abuse before he met her, because he said he never would have married her. He referred to her as the devil and said that he would never have been in prison for life if he hadn't met her. Ron Goss was a neighbor of the McNulty family. He said they pretty much kept to themselves. Ron would see Jeanette sometimes and wave to her, but she never really waved back, which he thought she was just kind of shy, not that she was being abused.

Tiffany: 33:10

In 2012, dhs was found guilty in a wrongful death lawsuit and the state was ordered to pay $1.5 million to settle the DHS's failure to protect Jeanette. In 2014, angela claimed that she wasn't given a fair trial and that her child abuse was the cause of death for her daughter, and she felt that she was painted as a monster and not as a victim, inflicting pain on another person by using her misplaced trauma as an excuse. The Supreme Court ultimately upheld her conviction in 2014, but in 2016, her defense team put in a petition to have her death sentence communicated to life in prison. But according to a story published by organlivecom, after negotiations, lane County District Attorney's Patty Perleau said in a statement the settlement agreement provides that the death sentence is vacated and Angela McNulty is sentenced to life in imprisonment without the possibility of parole. Both parties dismissed their appeals in the Oregon State Court of Appeals and Angela McNulty agrees that she will never attempt to challenge in any court her aggravated murder conviction or the stipulated true life sentence.

Tiffany: 34:20

Statistically, 3,145,000 children are subject to the child welfare system in the year 2020. 618,000 were deemed to be victims of male treatment and 16.5% were products of abuse. 1,750 children have died because of the abuse in 2020. And during the COVID pandemic, a lot of cases were backlogged because of the inability to follow up on or check on the welfare of children. So these statistics are pretty inaccurate because all cases haven't been fully investigated.

Tiffany: 34:54

I know a lot of podcasts say that they will never cover like child cases, and I know why it's because they're absolutely heartbreaking. Hearing about these cases really rips my soul apart, makes me feel things that I can't shake. But it's these cases that get swept under the rug because they're so hard to handle. On our podcast I will always advocate for child abuse. I will always tell their stories. I won't let the foster care system swallow up these cases and spit them out, only for more deaths to occur because people don't want to report on the hard to report on cases. I'm not putting anybody else's shit down that doesn't want to report on these, because I know believe me, i know as a victim of it it's very hard and a very personal subject for me. So they say you become the person that you would feel safe with as a child, and I believe that Yeah.

Wendy: 35:41

I concur.

Tiffany: 35:42

Yeah.

Wendy: 35:42

You know, what I find kind of odd and I don't want to paint the parents and, well, the mother and stepfather, heroic for this at all is that there was no contest, like they didn't fight it, they just admitted to it. Well, go ahead and blend Right. I am too. That's what I mean, particularly him, because there have been cases where people just sit idly by or, you know, contribute, kind of like the shoemaker case where there was one main perpetrator but the other one did nothing to stop it and he helped aid the situation. Yeah, you know. So I mean, i do feel like that he was guilty. But I also find it unique not good, because he's a piece of shit obviously in the fact that like he didn't deny that fact. Yeah, you know, we've seen so many cases where people in his shoes are like wasn't me and passed the buck right over to the other fucker.

Tiffany: 36:38

They couldn't deny it. They couldn't because the evidence was so strong. Like it.

Wendy: 36:42

That's true. I mean he was working a lot, you know. I mean, like I, even the cases where they shouldn't and they're, you know, they're very, very obviously guilty, You still see them.

Tiffany: 36:54

try He had that heart attack, so he was at home. He was homebound after that, yeah.

Wendy: 36:58

Yeah, in that case. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, but I mean in totality him admitting that, like he denied her water and all those types of peculiar, absurd particulars. You know, i'm just glad that he threw himself under the bust and that she's not seeking to redeem herself and have another trial where she tries to fucking plead innocent. You know, i'm just that, it just cut and dry and fuck you guys, fuck ourselves. Yeah, we're guilty, you know.

Tiffany: 37:23

Well, they couldn't. they, neither one could plead innocent at all. I mean, they could have tried, maybe, but their lawyers probably would have been like Oh sorry, you're kind of beat here You know.

Wendy: 37:32

in this case, they're very cognitive, They're very fucking aware that their pieces of shit they threw in the white flag and were like, Yeah, we are pieces of shit.

Tiffany: 37:41

If you know someone that you think is being abused, please call for help. I know the system doesn't always help, but it doesn't hurt to try. Sometimes the system works. Sometimes the number is 1-800-422-4453. Again, the number is 1-800-422-4453. I will also post the number in the show notes So you know if you need that as a reference it's going to be available.

Tiffany: 38:07

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